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Seven (Fincher 1995)
Serial killer? Her who?
This episode we shift a bit to take on Fincher’s iconic film Se7en. This is the third of our mini-series on serial killer horror films. It is the first of this mini-series that features a killer not based on a specific real life killer. Marshall’s nostalgia for the film clouds his judgment. Laura’s clear-eyed gaze withers the film as sexist, homophobic, and hypocritical both in terms of its content and at a meta-level. Avoiding the sin of sloth, this is another long episode. We hope you enjoy!
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SPOILERS IN THIS EPISODE
Se7en (Fincher 1995) – please watch the film before listening!
Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer (McNaughton 1986)
Extremely Wicked, Shockingly Evil and Vile (Berlinger 2019)
The House that Jack Built (von Trier 2018)
TOPIC INDEX – TOPIC INDEX – Se7en (Fincher 1995) (times are approximate)
0:30 – Introductions
2:00 – thus continues a mini-series on serial killers
3:20 – spoilers
5:40 – Movie discussion begins
7:30 – Liz Kendall’s book The Phantom Prince and Extremely Wicked, Shockingly Evil and Vile
10:00 – serial killers, the 1970s, and the first wave of slasher films
Conversations With a Killer: the Ted Bundy Tapes (2019)
The Ripper (Wood and Vile 2020)
16:30 – lightning round on My Friend Dahmer
21:20 – lightning round on Summer of Sam
24:45 – lightning round on Shocker
26:30 – discussion of Se7en begins
28:10 – gender
38:30 – meta problematics of the film
45:00 – hypocrisy of the film
46:00 – homophobic film
49:00 – continuum of guilt of victims
57:00 – John Doe or Mills and Somerset
1:07:30 – comparisons to Saw (Wan 2004)
1:14:00 – comparison to Come to Daddy (Timpson 2019)
1:17:00 – Marshall remains in denial of the toxicity of the film
1:23:00 – technically proficient and toxic vs imperfectly constructed and ideologically positive
1:27:45 – serial killer films so far
1:29:45 – fictional vs real killers
1:36:30 – grading the film using the Collective Nightmares Evolving Rubric of Social Responsibility
1:40:45 – sociology moment: reification
Related Episodes
Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer (McNaughton 1985)
Extremely Wicked, Shockingly Evil and Vile (Berlinger 2019)
The House that Jack Built (von Trier 2018)
Saw (Wan 2004)
Come to Daddy (Timpson 2019)
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“Horror films are our collective nightmares.”
Episode 90
Keywords
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